At the moment I have 5 white clouds. It's important to mention, I have a tropical tank which is kept at 24 degrees. I believe at first the fish were a little unsure of how to feel (because they're cold water) but now they're extremely playful and swim altogether, they eat all their food and love the hornwort and wisteria in my tank. They even chase my sponge I use to clean algae off the glass. They are pretty hardy fish, even the staff at the aquarium store knew I was keeping a tropical tank but still recommended them to me.
I seriously love guppies, I always have, would they be compatible with the white clouds? Not water parameter-wise, because in that sense they are compatible, but are either of them known to attack other species? Or display aggressive, territorial behaviour? The only other thing I plan to keep in the tank is a mystery snail.
I understand the controversy about keeping cold water fish with tropical fish, and I tried to ask this question on another website but I was stopped in my tracks with brutal criticism when they discovered I used my white clouds for a fish-in cycle. Which is the only type of cycle I've ever done. I'd love to read everyone's opinions on the topic of the guppies and white cloud's compatibility. I'll be buying another tank on Christmas which will be dedicated only to tropical species, when that is established I will transfer the guppies if I buy them.
I apologise if anything in my post is 'wrong' (for instance: the forum topic where I posted it, but this is my first day on the site and need to familiarise myself).
No they aren't compatible because guppies are tropical and WCMM are temperate. As you're getting another tank at Christmas the best thing to do is put off getting guppies until you have the second tank and keep the WCMM at their required temperature.
Don't forget to do a fishless cycle on the new tank before you add the guppies.
Thank you for your response. I'll put off getting guppies till then. I've always done fish-in cycles, it's just the way I do it and can get it done more efficiently. It's my go-to way, and it isn't as bad as it is made out to be. I've tried a fishless cycle and I had it running for 4 weeks before I had enough and bought fish to cycle the tank, as soon as I started the fish-in cycle it progressed significantly quicker. I'm not sure why I find it easier, perhaps they contribute to adding ammonia everyday and that helps. But there is a specific way to do the cycle with fish, so I'm definitely not just throwing them in there and proceeding like a fishless cycle.
And I can't get the temperature of the tank down, it's summer here and the temperature is constantly between 30-40, if not, higher than 40, which makes the tank water's temperature around 23-24 and I honestly don't know what to do to keep the water cool. I feel bad for the white clouds because I know if I don't find a way it could get worse throughout the summer.
In order to keep the water cool, I would 90% fill a couple of mineral water plastic bottles with dechlorinated tap water, then freeze them. Take them out and place them in the tank - that should keep the water cooler. While two are in the tank, another two could be kept in the freezer, and effectively these could be swapped round ie once the set in the freezer are frozen, they could be put in the tank while the two existing ones in the tank could be taken out and re-frozen. [It's good to put some dechlorinator in them, just in case they somehow leak although that's unlikely.]
Admittedly, I've tried the fish food method and it just didn't seem to go anywhere despite adding increasing amounts of flakes - I found it difficult to gauge how much to add and when, so in future will always use the household ammonia method coupled with advice from forums as I go along.
Although I have done fish-in cycles before, there were certain elements of all those fishes' behaviour which were almost certainly attributable to the fish-in cycle, including ultimate shorter lifespan than what it ought to have been despite otherwise good care and strict water change regimes. By contrast, the fish which haven't undergone a fish-in cycle don't display that behaviour. Knowing what I now know, I wouldn't subject (or want to have it on my conscience to subject) fish to a fish-in cycle in future.
I've found doing small, partial water changes throughout the day and keeping fans pointing towards the helps a lot. And with my fishless cycle, I simply filled my tank with dechlorinated water, and everyday used a dose of beneficial bacteria and added a very small portion of fish food daily/once every 2 days. I even had ornaments in the tank from a previously cycled tank. There was absolutely 0 progress for 4 weeks, no nitrites, no nitrates, only ammonia, and the ammonia just kept building up until it was 8ppm+ so I had to start doing water changes to lower it to an ideal level for cycling. As soon as I added the fish it really did jump start the cycle.
All my fish in the past have had completely normal behaviour throughout and after the cycle. Never once did any of my fish ever show aggression, unusual swimming or unusual eating habits. All my fish get along incredibly well. The only time my fish have died is from ich, where I've used treatments but it hasn't worked. Otherwise my fish have never been affected in any observable way. A lot of people find fish-in cycles ethically wrong, but when done right without fail, the fish are perfectly fine.
GabbyFord wrote: And with my fishless cycle, I simply filled my tank with dechlorinated water, and everyday used a dose of beneficial bacteria and added a very small portion of fish food daily/once every 2 days. I even had ornaments in the tank from a previously cycled tank. There was absolutely 0 progress for 4 weeks, no nitrites, no nitrates, only ammonia, and the ammonia just kept building up until it was 8ppm+ so I had to start doing water changes to lower it to an ideal level for cycling. As soon as I added the fish it really did jump start the cycle.
Hi and welcome :) The fish food method of fishless cycling is much less reliable, and it also sounds like you may not have been using enough. It works a lot better using bottled ammonia, if you can get it in Australia. Here in the UK it's often sold for cleaning purposes, I would imagine it's probably available in Australia too. Just make sure you get one with no other chemicals (detergents etc.) in it. The links fmcf posted above will tell you everything you need to know about this method. Also the vast majority of bottled bacteria products are useless - having been sitting in a sealed bottle with no food source for weeks or months, the bacteria will be dead by the time you use them. Adding ornaments from a previously cycled tank also probably won't have made much difference, as the bacteria mainly colonise the filter, not the ornaments and other objects in the tank. What can often help is taking a small amount of filter media from a previously cycled tank and putting it in your new filter. We really don't recommend a fish-in cycle, whatever else you may think it's really not good for the fish long-term.
Just to say I have guppies and cloud minows. I originally had the minows in a cold water tank before purchasing a tropical. I took advice from a local store that stocks both types of fish (not a chain) and they said that they can tolerate both cold and tropical.
I slowly warmed the tank over a number of days and then introduced them to my tropical tank. They've been really happy mixing with my 5 tetra and guppies well.
I'm not saying the advice I was given was accurate but I've had no issues. I do keep my temp on the lower end of the tropical range though.