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Fish Breeders Club #1
Have the forum create one. At the end of the day you can only consider yourself a half decent fishkeeper if you have the skills to successfully breed and raise on the fry of multiple different species and types of fish.

The submissions by people attempting to breed and document their attempts will undoubtedly be some of the most interesting and informative threads on the entire forum.

Stick to a series of rules as used by fishkeeping clubs world wide such as number of fry required at certain times with photographic evidence required. Award points for each successful breeding attempt etc. An element of trust would be required, but I think it would encourage people to broaden their aquarist skills and experience.

Obviously it should go without saying that species should only be bred if the aquarist can rehome or sell fry produced etc.

Yes this has been done on PFK but as it grew out of an idea I had and presented to then editor Matt Clarke I can't really be accused of stealing it. Besides aquatic socities all over the world have breeding clubs, an online one would be ideal for people who are not currently members of such clubs.

I may even offer a few freebies for those who do well if it ever took off.

Just a thought...
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Re: Fish Breeders Club #2
I would be up for that, but I dont have any fish anymore.

I will say it is a good idea. A similar thing was done on another site based in the east of England I used that was just for Cichlids. They had an actual database listing the members and fish bred, where the fish came from, how many fry and their parental history etc, a bit like a fish pedigree. I dont know if they still have it running at the moment though. It enabled others to find fish they wanted at a decent price and the peace of mind of knowing they had good quality, un-hybridised fish.
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Re: Fish Breeders Club #3
That first paragraph reads terribly and could be misinterpreted! What I mean is...

In order to successfully spawn and raise many species of fish, the aquarist needs to understand how to select healthy, mature adults, how to condition them. How to create a suitable environment, water conditions and spawning 'triggers' and finally how to care for and raise the baby fish.

This will improve peoples practical hands on experience and further their knowledge. Submitted threads would be of interest to many ans I suspect may even encourage people to have a go themselves.

Rules are needed, but ultimately it would just be a bit of fun. Not to be taken too seriously. Awards could be given for achievement in the form of points. And points given according to the difficulty of the species produced. For example 10 points for guppies. While 25 points for Discus and 100 for a humbug damselfish.
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Re: Fish Breeders Club #4
How about doing a searchable Database for it as well, usable by the paid up forum members. I am sure it could be attached to or linked to the forum some how or other with a bit of tweaking by Mr FishAdmin if he is agreeable.
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Re: Fish Breeders Club #5
Initially I'd hope for submissions from a few members. There was always a lot of debate as to the difficulty of species and the points they were worth etc.

I don't take things like this very seriously anymore and regard it as just a bit of fun and so would basically group fish together fairly loosely as far as points are concerned.

I'm sure there would be FK members who keep live bearers that could quickly and easily get a few successful attempts underway. They may even pay more attention to raising the fry in larger numbers etc.
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Re: Fish Breeders Club #6
Interesting idea Don't think I ever saw the PFK version in action - is it still going?

How would you run it? Have a sticky of 'rules' in the fry section of the forum and then people can just submit threads as and when?

Making sure you can rehome the offspring is important, there are so many livebearers (for example) out there it might be wise to make sure anyone breeding certain types of fish has fully thought through the rehoming options. I'm not sure about having to produce X number of spawnings - could it work with whatever anyone felt like producing?

Not everyone intends to breed their fish, could you include some provision for people whose fish spring unplanned pregnancies on them? Many people will have a go at raising fry from unexpected spawnings, once new life has arrived it's hard not to feel a little sense of something magic and want to try and keep some

I can safely say that I have absolutely no intention of breeding my fish! Some of the late lamented gave me a few unplanned events but veiltails and pearlscales are not a match made in heaven and it was a bit of a disaster. So boys and girls in separate tanks now and never the twain shall meet. And Albie would only try and get it on with his mum anyway and that's just wrong!

But I digress. I don't know about a database, how much work would that be? If Admin's not up for doing it himself maybe there is someone else who'd be interested? I can see the use of having something like that, maybe it would need a decent number of people to be involved to make it worthwhile though?

@ Biotope - reminds me of that thread on SF from Ferox - do you remember the one I mean? Now that sort of thing would be interesting and well worth documenting with some sort of database.

For anyone else, it was about how amateur fishkeepers (i.e. pretty much anyone, not just professional/commercial breeders) could contribute to conservation of rarer species with a bit of home breeding. A database would come in handy there for maintaining genetic diversity and being able to move rarer species on to interested parties who could breed them further etc. Mmmmm ... I keep thinking about that one and INJAF ...

So come on, more details about how this could work?
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Re: Fish Breeders Club #7
I had a similar idea back in the mists of time..

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Have been thinking about the constant poor stocking advice from the shops and am wondering if for the sake of the fish, the hobby and us whether we should start an initiative that gets livestock sales away from imported stock in shops to local specialist breeders.

This would mean..

Fish are suitable for the local water parameters.
Fish bred locally and not imported.
Proper care advice at the point of sale.
Fish not sold into unsuitable tanks.
Some dosh for the breeder.

I thought something like this could be done using a recommendation system so to join you would have to recommended by another breeder. This would hopefully avoid the fish equivalent of puppy farms joining
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@ Biotope - reminds me of that thread on SF from Ferox - do you remember the one I mean? Now that sort of thing would be interesting and well worth documenting with some sort of database.

For anyone else, it was about how amateur fishkeepers (i.e. pretty much anyone, not just professional/commercial breeders) could contribute to conservation of rarer species with a bit of home breeding. A database would come in handy there for maintaining genetic diversity and being able to move rarer species on to interested parties who could breed them further etc. Mmmmm ... I keep thinking about that one and INJAF ...

So come on, more details about how this could work?


I do and knowing what Matt is upto next week I'll freely admit I wish I had time to zip over to Barcelona and help them out. I'd jump at the chance if it wasn't for work commitments. :(
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Re: Fish Breeders Club #9
Re Matt's stuff, I doubt that'll be a one off so you never know, maybe another time

As for a fishbreeding club not getting much take-up ... maybe it's a bit of a 'Field of Dreams' thing; if you build it they will come? If it doesn't exist no one will take part, if there is something in place maybe it will encourage people to join in?
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Re: Fish Breeders Club #10
I think admins vision is different from mine. A 'UK bred' idea was discussed amongst SVAS members as a couple of members breed on a large scale. SVAS is well respected and would work as a brand name, but having enough people to produce enough fish would be very difficult. Not impossible though. A lot of pond fish are UK bred and while wholesalers detail this in their fish lists LFS very rarely do which is surprising as I would have thought many consumers would like to bu british bred tench and orfe etc