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Postive action #1
If you look for the most sucessful campagin for fish welfare over the last couple of decades you would be hard pressed to find something better than the dyed fish campaign. since 1996 70% of fish shops have signed up to stop this curel action continuing. It's easy as a fish keeper to avoid the minority of shops who insist on still stocking these fish.

Rather than trying to change the entire hobby in one swift action It's probably much better to focus on a single point and work towards every last fish shop abides by that.

A few items suggested by Jaguar in another thread were:
label all fish with adult fish sizes
label all fish with tank requirements
Tank cycling posters displayed in store
Tank cycling information sheets with every tank sold

I think it would be great to pick one a (or another suggestion) and as a group work to achive that goal.
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Re: Postive action #2
I think that's a great idea
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Re: Postive action #3
It is a great idea

It would be fantastic to see that kind of info displayed in fish shops, it would have helped me tremendously (and saved fishy lives !)

Bravo !
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Re: Postive action #4
Not sure if that's what this site is all about....of course we all want what's best for the fish, and in our day-to-day dealings with the 'Industry' as a whole, we must put across our feelings....I'm sure we all do that without even realising it.....

....a look here and an unhappy 'grunt' there...but some people can't/don't want to be antagonistic, especially in person, and especially at a shop where they go regularly.

Surely, isn't it better to 'vote' with our wallets, feet etc

Those who are more pro-active can write letters to companies/shops and voice their opinions.

I'm not sure if spending a year or two on ONE item is the best use of anybodies time.

If we look back a hundred years we can see ALL the differences in our world, things take time to change.....can't we keep pushing ALL of the above??

Well done to Jaguar for all the items [that he's been working towards for years] that he has brought to our attention
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Re: Postive action #5
Hey Eggbut,

I don't think it should be an or even could be an enforced thing on a forum (this or any other). What will the forum do? ban people for going to a fish shop?

It only takes one person at any one fish shop to ask for the poster and with items like having a fishless cycle on it to benifit all the customers new and old.

Those that would rather support it more passivly will be free to do so.

As for spending a year or two on it, I disagree. it's taken 15 years for dyed fish campaign to to get to where it is now and even now it's only 70%. If in that process they would have spent the same time doing 10 things you may only have 7% of stores stocking non-dyed fish. thats hardly a what i would call a success. If 100 people came to you asking for 100 different things at the same time you'll probably only help one of them and the other 99 will go away unhappy. if 100 people asked you do the same thing it's quite simple to please them all.
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Re: Postive action #6
Might be a good idea to get posters / information put into vetinary offices as well... a lot of people have fish in addition to other pets!
Plus with vetinary approval, things can gather a lot of steam.
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Re: Postive action #7
Thats a super plan Viriconia, Even more so, i can't see why people like the RSPCA and British Veterinary Association couldn't support a simple clear message.

However before we get ahead of ourselves it's important to discuss which angle you take.

Does anyone else have a personal preference to which is the most valid? or another suggestion. Would FK even be happy to be a base for this? (I totaly understand if people don't want me involved)

Hopefully it's a catalyst at least.
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Re: Postive action #8
Sorry Lawbringer, I'm not sure what you're saying.

I don't understand if you want one thing to be done at a time or just keep on about all the things that we feel passionate about.
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Re: Postive action #9
The ISPCA (I'm in Ireland) say the following about goldfish on their site:

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Your Pet Goldfish

Goldfish are inexpensive to keep and relatively little time and effort needed to look after it. However they do not provide a great deal of companionship.

A goldfish needs:

- Companionship - to be with other goldfish.

- To be fed goldfish food once a day with occasional bits of vegetable and live food such as daphnia (water fleas).

- A big aquarium or pond, not too shallow, with a large surface area.

- Clean gravel at the bottom of the aquarium.

- To be placed away from direct sunlight and to have some overhead cover in a pond.

- Left over food to be removed after feeding.

- The aquarium water regularly changed, gravel washed and sides of the tank cleaned of algal growth (which is seen as a green 'slime' on the tank sides.

- A ventilated aquarium cover to reduce evaporation and to provide protection from cats.

- Suitable cold water aquarium or pond plants.

- Artificial lighting or plenty of top light to encourage plant growth.

- Rocks and objects with smooth edges for cover and hiding.

- Removal of large numbers of autumn leaves from its pond.

- Part removal of ice from frozen ponds, but never with hammer blows.

- To be looked after at holiday times.

- Your time and interest for the rest of its life.

Fact Sheet

Lifespan
25 years

Sexually mature
8-12 months

In season (When female is fertile with eggs and can be made pregnant)
April-September monthly spawning

Eggs laid
Many thousands.Gestation (Length of pregnancy)
Eggs hatch in four to fourteen days according to temperature.

Handling
Fish should not be caught and moved by hand as this is very distressing for them and is likely to damage their scales. A large smooth net should be used if it is necessary to move them.

Companionship
Goldfish live in the wild in groups called shoals. They should be kept in the company of other goldfish.
Health problems

Oxygen starvation
Caused by not enough dissolved oxygen in the water. Oxygen supply can be made better by changing the water, cleaning out the aquarium or pond, adding plants and using an air pump.

Fungus disease
Indicated by white tufts on the body. Can be treated by adding an anti-fungus medication to the water.

Constipation
Trailing brown thread from the body. A more varied diet is needed, including vegetable matter and live food.

White spot disease
Caused by a parasite (a tiny living thing which lives off other living things) which produces white spots on the body. Cures can be obtained from most pet shops.



So it's reassuring at least that there's no mention of bowls , but the definition of 'big aquarium' needs defining!

Some of the problem (as I perceive it) stems from the 'old' goldfish - we all know someone who has a goldfish in a bowl who has survived for years - my dad has a single tail in a wee plastic tank for 12 years now. How it's alive is beyond me.
I mentioned the Miracle Fish in my lfs - they said that long ago, goldfish were 'sturdier' stock - nowadays they're farmed cheap, and breeding is not as good, so they're not as robust as they used to be. How true that is I don't know.

The trouble with something like this is is that the people who support a 'ban the bowl' and correct information are very scattered and as with any 'revolution' it's hard to get everyone behind any one banner.
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Re: Postive action #10
Just to add from the above info

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Your Pet Goldfish

Goldfish are inexpensive to keep and relatively little time and effort needed to look after it. However they do not provide a great deal of companionship.


Cheek of them! They've not met my fishies so. A happy, healthy fish in a big tank provides hours of companionship!

Also, inexpensive? I spend more on my fish than I do on myself.