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  • Posted on: 3/11/2007 2:23
does anyone know what can live with a turtle #1
i was just wondoring my turtle seems to be lonely and it would be cool to add another animal with it but before i go buy one what animal should it b i was wondoring about freshwater snails would they be ok????
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Re: does anyone know what can live with a turtle #2
No, nothing soft bodied is safe with a turtle, snails and inverts will be eaten, as will just about any amphibian, small semi-aquatic lizards (ie under 3 feet)will be eaten. My turtles used to overwinter with my green iguana sengoku, but he was about 6 ft three,and heavily armoured at that size,and many times stronger, hence in no danger from them. He was laid back as he got older and couldnt be bothered to attack them, and his dipping bath in which they used to spend the winter was bigger than your aquarium. Turtles will also take chunks out of fish much bigger than themselves, so fish they would be safe with are stuff like arowana,huge catfish and giant pacus, and that would be 1000 gallon plus leagues.

Turtles are not really candidates for community setting, because they will eat anything almost their own size, you couldnt for example , necessarily trust them not to de-tail or drown lizards that are semi aquatic, and fish that are safe from them are in adult arowana leagues. Turtles make the water filthy, which while barely noticeable in places like huge tropical rivers, will normally be an insurmountable problem in aquaria. The filtration needed would be massive, the equivalent of the largest eheim pro 3, or maybe two of them, or even a custom filter for ponds. Yours in particular are specialist fish killers and fish safe with them would be enormous, probably longer than your aquarium.

Turtles are also so sexually motivated that its best not to keep unrelated turtles with them either, you get pestering and rape attempts and biting etc, try getting your turtle a same species, opposite sex partner. Thats about the only thing thats truly safe, and even then , in spring, the sexuality of the male may be so pronounced ,and in captivity the reptiles perception of the length of that season may be so increased, that you might find yourself having to move her out for the odd week to give her a break from all the mating attempts and nipping, and try reintroducing her later.

Turtles also require land area, especially if they are expecting to breed, not just a little solid rock island, but usually a soil-like substrate at least a couple of feet deep, so that when the female becomes gravid, she can haul out in privacy, dig a nest and lay eggs. If she is unable to lay eggs, sometimes you get lucky and they just evacuate them into water,but this is not best practise, and it is risking their lives. If eggs get retained for too long, they become heavily mineralised, the female cannot pass them, and she will probably die without surgery. Many keepers will say that isnt necessary, but then thats usually because a good proportion of pet turtles have MBD and arent in condition to breed. When they are healthy, they are usually positively rampant. My female, frisbee, has laid eggs every year for the last 10 years, brumated or not.

Complicated this turtle keeping stuff.
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Re: does anyone know what can live with a turtle #3
wow thanks i sort of knew but was just wondroing .i never knew that turtles are acting like rapist. just wondoring what did you do with the eggs i mean ten years is alot of eggs did you sell them or give them to a zoo or aquarium.
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Re: does anyone know what can live with a turtle #4
Well, in the UK we have kinda a turtle saturation point, many, many, get abandoned , and often reptile rescues are so loaded with turtles that need homes that no one in the uk would really need to buy them unless they were an unusual speies. Generally I used to give the eggs to the monitor lizards to eat, which was great for the monitors because it completely avoided avidin issues that giving them unfertilized hens eggs would cause.

I incubated a few because my turtles were ornates, a slightly funkier version of the red ear, and I knew one person who specifically wanted a pair, so I incubated three eggs a few years ago. Generally in the UK though its not a good idea to add to the amount of turtles in the country, as I said, most end up dead, or in the rescue system because most people have such an unrealistic expectation of suitable care.

Your turtles however are different, they are an unusual and desireable species, and you probably would find at least some willing owners for the young, so I guess theres nothing to stop you from having a go. Granted the main market for them is not in OZ, and exporting turtles is a hellish business, and fraught with legal problems, but you can always join a reptile club and ask that if you bred them , would anyone be willing to trade for a few.
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Re: does anyone know what can live with a turtle #5
yes i was thinking of breeding them but i havent had the turtle for a long time only a couple of weeks and i dont know if a female turtle would like what my turtle does to it, like you had described before, but the good thing is i know people would buy them aquariums take them off your hands. though i should go with a very trustworthy aquarium.
but then im hopping of trying to save the ones they sell at the markets. my friend got one from there and i didnt know if he should trust it or not. i mean buying any animal from a market isnt the most trustworthy thing.but then they look so sad and why am i typing about turtle breeding when this form isnt about it.

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Re: does anyone know what can live with a turtle #6
Hi puka777, just wanted to confirm you're in Australia? Things might be a little different from the UK situation...
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Re: does anyone know what can live with a turtle #7
Hi Pukka,
Is the turtle you are refering to a Fly river turtle ?? aka Australian pig nose turtle ??
If it is then hey - they can have any tank mates.
I have one which now is about 12 inches - he has been housed with pigmy puffers, neons, rummy noses - all different tropical fish whilst he was growing up and never once ate any of them.
The only problem was when he hit the 7 inch size and we transfered him to cichlid tank - had to remove him after 1 hr as he was being bullied by the dwarf cichlids ... gentle turtles they are.
My turtle is now housed with a group of corys ... tho I do believe he looks lonely as I like my pets kept in pairs at least when ever possible - but Fly river turtles only gather together to breed then go their seperate ways.
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Re: does anyone know what can live with a turtle #8
No, this is a long neck, not a pig nose , its a fish predator, the neck is especially designed to strike at fish.

Pig noses shouldnt be housed with fish either really. Its a luck thing, by putting a turtle in with your fish you took exactly the same risk as you would putting pufferfish in with them. I wouldnt ever risk that again if I were you. That was incredibly lucky. Thats not usually how things go at all, and I couldnt recommend it for other people to do.
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Re: does anyone know what can live with a turtle #9
I wouldnt post fish brutality videos, but this one tells you what you need to know , especially since hes giving them fish fillet and chicken. Never seen a freshwater turtle, primarily vegetarian or not, that wont take feeder fish eventually. They are all opportunists.

That pig noses prefer to scavenge doesnt mean they cant take out fish as large as an adult goldfish when they want to, its easy enough just to take chunks out of them, though granted a big cichlid isnt about to allow itself to become part of the menu. Besides the personality of pig noses varies much as it does for any turtle, some are more predatory and more vicious than others. Ive seen fly river turtles just as aggressive as many of the softshells.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjxtl0lJtu8
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Re: does anyone know what can live with a turtle #10
longhairedgits right i got 4 goldfish for my birthday next three days all dead one of them was a really big one and the turtle shred it to bits the all died because of the turtle and when i cleaned the cage i found one of the heads of the goldfish