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Re: 40 ltr Tropical tank needs bottom feeders/plecos????? #31
A guy gere at work says he will give me some of his baby shrimp and will take my Guppies at the same time Swapsies just like footy stickers in the playground hehe.

will they require any special diatary requirements or just eat whatever is there and settles on the bottom or just algaie?
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Re: 40 ltr Tropical tank needs bottom feeders/plecos????? #32
They'll survive mostly on algae and detritus from the bottom of the tank, but good care would be to drop a catfish pellet or specialised invertebrate pellet in for them a few times a week. In addition a small Romaine lettuce leaf blanched and then secured to the bottom of the tank will be appreciated once every week or so if there isn't much algae around.
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Re: 40 ltr Tropical tank needs bottom feeders/plecos????? #33
what about cucumber? i have seen cucumber feeders in the shops or am i mistaken?
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Re: 40 ltr Tropical tank needs bottom feeders/plecos????? #34
Yeah, you've probably seen the 'Screwcumber' or some other brand of gadget in the shops. Cucumber and Courgette should be eaten with equal relish, though you won't need to put much in at all, they're only small.
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Re: 40 ltr Tropical tank needs bottom feeders/plecos????? #35
i thaught that i had read it right

back to the corys you said that they like to shole in 6+ do you think that 6 would be excessive in my size tank?

and would they eat the veg too?
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Re: 40 ltr Tropical tank needs bottom feeders/plecos????? #36
6 would bring you up to stocking limit so no more no less.

Obviously my best advice of planning for a future tank upgrade still stands
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Re: 40 ltr Tropical tank needs bottom feeders/plecos????? #37
i would love a huge tank and all the fish i want but as mik n keif said you cant always get what you want. but at the moment the only problem is space i could maybe go to 60ltrs but that would be cramped and would risk being damaged by the boys and their friends. so untill i can get a larger property or find some space somewhere i'll have to make do but if i am carfull then i'm sure 4o will be a happy tank
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Re: 40 ltr Tropical tank needs bottom feeders/plecos????? #38
Hey,

I was reading through the comments and I went through the same issues when I was setting up my most recent tank. Its really hard to find out what kind of fish go together but in my opinion you just have to try them out and see what works. Of course use logic, as in big fish will eat the smaller fish generally if you keep non-aggressive community fish together or semi-agressive tropical fish together they will do well.

At the moment I have three tanks. And contrary to popular belief bettas can be kept with tetras! I have two male bettas in two seperate tanks (of course) and had neon tetra jumbos in with one and black neon tetras in with the other. They went really well together. There was no fin nipping whatsoever! The bettas only got aggressive when they wanted to mate but they swim very slow so the tetras weren't even bothered. Bettas can do fine with smaller tropical community fish or by themselves.

My newest tank is 110 liters. I set up my tank by putting in 8 tetras and guess what they didn't die! I've done it with my other tanks as well but I put in beneficial bacteria to jump start the tank. And everything went extremely well. You just need to test the water to make sure it is in a safe range for the fish.

And as for some ideas for your tank (since it is very hard to find good information), I will tell you about mine. I have an angelfish, 3 mollies, one cory catfish, 5 red minor tetras, 3 black neon tetras and 3 neon tetra jumbos. The catfish and the angelfish are used as population control since the mollies are livebearers.

Its a really lovely tropical tank. Unfortunately you can't have that many fish but its just to give you an idea. If you wanted to put a shark in, you'd have to get a very small one and then put in other semi-aggressive fish, like some barbs.
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Re: 40 ltr Tropical tank needs bottom feeders/plecos????? #39
Thanks for that im thinking of some dwarf cory to keep my betta company and i also have some cherry shrimp which are damn amusing to watch they swimm around and round then straight in to the tank walls or harass my betta he seems to get much amusement chasing these little guys round the tank and when he gets close he just stops and looks at it is funny.

I have been offered a larger tank from a work mate but he wants to give me the fish also and i just dont think that i have the room! but we will see when i get a box made up to the dimensions of the tank. hope fully i will have room (just got a shed so lots of my crap can go in there leaving a fairly large space hopfully i can get a tank in there).

thanks for the words of encouragement lizz
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Re: 40 ltr Tropical tank needs bottom feeders/plecos????? #40
I wouldnt follow lizzletons stocking example, its actually not a good way to stock a tank. There are some factors that could be adversely affecting the health of the fish in that setup. first there ph incompatability, mollies prefer harder whter than the rest of the stock in that tank.

While I personally agree that bettas can be kept in sedate communities without fin-nipping species, until you know your species behaviours better , its not a good idea to risk it, primarily because you have to roll with the odds, there are hundreds of species of tetra, and a good proportion of them can be nippy, and it varies not only from species to species, but also from individual to individual, and a bettas fins are a tempting target. It might be ok to suck it and see for a multiple aquarium owner, but not for anyone else, because a fishs journey to the home should ideally be a one-way one. Fish find moves stressful , and there are better ways to plan things.

I wouldnt recommend any shark species unless aquaria are large, they are fast, often territorial and increasingly so with age, and have a worldwide reputation for nipping in a good proportion of specimens, and also arent above bouts of night terrors, where they scare small diurnal fish who should be resting at night without harrassment. Cagemates for rainbows, silver, and RTBS, are ideally unrelated and comparable in size or larger.

Cories are also deeply social, a lone cory is never truly happy, so groups of 6 or more are always recommended. The life quality of a lone cory from a psychological standpoint, absolutely sucks butt. I agree with putting the tetchy fish like sharks and barbs together, but again species size should be catered for and this tank sounds a bit on the small side for that.

The angel too , could be a bit more population control than you reckoned for, an adult could be near enough ten inches tall and capable of swallowing the smaller tetra species, so again not a great example to follow in the long run, if further aquaria and larger aquaria are not an option in someones future. Angels are not long term tankmates for small species, they do eventually eat them as soon as they are large enough. The behaviour is individual to a degree, but its much better not to tempt fate, seeing as behind it all is a genuine predators instincts, that can reassert themselves even past conditioned feeding responses, at basically any time. The chances of conditioning a fish into denying a primeival urge to predate are to say the least, remote.

If economy is a concern for someone, then buying an angel, placing it with tetras might eventually necessitate a rehoming, which is an unfortunate situation, when fishkeeping starts getting into a "rent-a-fish" way of thinking, its pretty much bad fishkeeping. Beginners would do well to steer away from that kind of thinking or outcome.

Its one thing to have to rehome a fish from misguidance initially, thats dealing with an unfortunate situation responsibly, even though its a posiition of catchup, but I would expect more forethought and consideration when trying to help someone who has already had troubles from poor stocking advice, has beginner level knowledge, and a limited scope to expand in the hobby. Angels may be sold everywhere , but thety are without question, a willing predator of small fish once size permits.

Sorry to have to pick you up on one of your first posts lizzleton, but obviously , the OP doesnt need problems, and guidance given should be very accurate considering the situation.Unfortunately some of the misconceptions you appear to be labouring under are exactly the sort of culture the OP came into contact with at her LFS, thusly the current problems.

On the not cycling with fish, its a risk, its not clever, and you were fortunate not to lose some fish, the fish wouldnt thank you for having taken that risk with their lives, and we don't encourage that sort of advice here. it matters. Putting fish in uncycled aquaria costs millions of lives through nothing but impatience, foolhardiness and keeper arrogance every year, we are trying to put a stop to that, so that fishkeeping and fish trading becomes a less exploitative process more considerate of humane animal keeping.If you have not yet learned the seriousness of the cycling issue, and have not yet read the articles on how to avoid taking risks to fish health and causing them gill damage and respiritory issues I would suggest you take the opportunity to bone up a bit.

I appreciate your only trying to help, but it helps to keep it on the straight and narrow for beginners, with risks mentioned.
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