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Violet Violet
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  • Posted on: 13/11/2013 20:45
Re: New Tank Setup - Fish Dying #11
Hi there

Ooooh 24 litres is rather wee. A few things that may help in the interim too:

1. Given the small size of the tank (these fish really need about 60 litres min but bigger the better) - remove the tank decoration, to gain more volume.

2. Plants! Can almost be a lifesaver of sorts and assist with water quality. Cheap bunches of Elodea from a LFS, think 3 or 4 big bunches. They can be sited in gravel or just left to float. Provide cover and interest for the fish too.

3. Add some Hornwort. Grows like the clappers so good for water quality. Just leave it to drift around I can never find this in local shops, so order on line from 'Plants Alive' website. We have a member discount code in the members room to save you a few pennies too

4. If the costs of a new bigger tank are a bit eye watering at the mo, consider a Staples 'Really Useful' plastic crate. Food safe so fish safe, many of us here use these at emergency/QT tanks. True, not easy on the eye, but they buy you both time and the much needed volume (dilutes toxins in a fish in cycle) until you can source a suitable tank.

These have saved fish in the past who were going through a fish-in cycle!

64 litre about ?18
84 litre about ?20

Linky here: http://www.staples.co.uk/storage-arch ... tacking-storage-box-clear
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Saj Saj
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  • Posted on: 13/11/2013 20:48
Re: New Tank Setup - Fish Dying #12
wow what would I have done without your help !

The staples options seem sensible until I can invest in a more decent sized tank !

Thanks again
Violet Violet
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  • Posted on: 13/11/2013 21:07
Re: New Tank Setup - Fish Dying #13
Glad we could help

Unlike fish shops, FK doesn't aim to sell stuff that's not needed. FK only cares about happy fish keepers and happy fish!

Just a word of warning though, may be best to actually return the Paradise Fish. These are defo not 'community fish', being generally grumpy and often down right aggressive. They will also eat smaller tank mates

Generally considered as a problem fish. Species set ups only really for this reason.

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http://www.fishkeeping.co.uk/modules/ ... sheet.php?caresheetID=203
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Silvertip Silvertip
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  • Posted on: 13/11/2013 21:10
Re: New Tank Setup - Fish Dying #14
I used to work at P@H for a year, yes I know, hiss spit, hehe. I was often in trouble with the boss for spending too much time advising the customers who bought fish, but enjoyed the fact that customers came back to seek my advice as it annoyed the boss more!
I'm glad to have left there as they have a habit of making you compromise the fishkeeping skills you have in favour of sales.
Wishing you the best with your fishies
Hi Peeps. I still have plenty of Assassin Snails for sale to help control pest snails that creep in on your plants. PM me for details
Violet Violet
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  • Posted on: 13/11/2013 21:16
Re: New Tank Setup - Fish Dying #15
@ Silvertip

Hello dear friend long time, no see. Hope you and yours and the fish are well

Are you still breeding/offering assassin snails for a small fee at all?

Would be handy to know.

V xxx
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Saj Saj
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  • Posted on: 13/11/2013 21:18
Re: New Tank Setup - Fish Dying #16
oh bloody hell, now got the wrong fish as well.

Thanks for the heads up !
Silvertip Silvertip
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  • Posted on: 13/11/2013 21:25
Re: New Tank Setup - Fish Dying #17
I hope it's ok to post on this thread?

Hi Violet. All good here and living with my lovely lady. My fish are doing very well but i've lost many of the older tetras that where 7 years old and over. I have gradually replaced these with new fish now and they are happy and nosey.
I have lots of Assassin snails for sale at ?8 for 10 as this will cover the packing and postage.
Hi Peeps. I still have plenty of Assassin Snails for sale to help control pest snails that creep in on your plants. PM me for details
Violet Violet
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Re: New Tank Setup - Fish Dying #18
@ Saj - OK, best to check here first, in the care sheet section for fish compatibility first or post perhaps, for pH/GH requirements, min tank sizes and tank mates/behaviour etc.

Not all fish suit the same type of water or 'get on' in a mixed tank, due to numerous other issues.

FK: http://www.fishkeeping.co.uk/modules/ ... heets/caresheets.php?cat=

Seriously Fish:
http://www.seriouslyfish.com/knowledge-base/

Planet Catfish:
http://www.planetcatfish.com/

These three sites are my bible.

@ silvertip, totally cool to post here. I will re-direct any assassin shell 'needers' in your direction, once again
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Saj Saj
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  • Posted on: 15/11/2013 18:23
Re: New Tank Setup - Fish Dying #19
Right just an update on how its going,

After the wonderful advice from Coralline, I refitted the filter I got from with the tank and left the carbon filter in the tank without its pump.

Been testing the water daily, with todays reading being pH 7.6 Ammonia 0.25ppm NO2- 0.25ppm and NO3- 0.

With the Ammonia going up slightly from zero, will decrease the feeding the fish only slightly.