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I don’t know what else to do-please help? #1
I don’t have the energy to write too much but I really don’t have a choice as I desperately need help.
I purchased two 3cm small baby goldfish from a well known pet store.
Like many newbies I had no idea about fish. One fish is a lemon colour and the other a (was) a vibrant orange. I bought a 64 litre tank to start out with the intention to upgrade within a few weeks when they had grown.
I have become really attached to these fish ;(
I’ve read a lot about fish since buying them and believed it was my tank that hadn’t cycled properly at first as my fish have been extremely stressed since the day I bought them.
I tried all sorts of filter cycle additives etc and tested my water daily and performed small water changes then large water changes nothing changed. My water test results remain the same making me think the tests are faulty. I used API 5 in 1 test strips and API ammonia Test strips. GH 180+ (very hard water) KH 80 PH 7.0 Nitrite 0 Nitrate 20. Ammonia 0.
I rang the store asking for help before realising they don’t know anything about fish and asked me what my water tests were. They advised me to have it tested in store. It was a waste of a taxi fare they use the same test strips as myself and readings came out exactly same. I told them my fish are very stressed out and stay by the water surface most of the time, or are glass surfing and darting, scratching against the gravel.
I saw white under the fishes body and believed it to be fungal infection, I treated and no change , I then thought columnaris, I treated no change. They swelled up and quick 30 second salt dips helped for about two hours. I treated for swim bladder, gave peas for constipation, treated with anti bacterial the list goes on. I have had the fish since mid September.
One thing I noticed from day 1 and what I couldn’t for the life of me find any explanation for was when ate something their stomachs would contract and they would dart wildly about the tank hitting their heads and body against the glass and everything. 2 weeks later after feeding more peas and during a daily gravel vacuum I found a long reddish brown poo that resembled a worm.
I examined it under a magnifying glass and because it wasn’t moving I told myself it was just poop but was baffled why it was reddish brown after eating only peas.
I got desperate and purchased kanaplex from USA.
I thought it helped because for a few hours the fish were calm.
Then the darting started again. One of the little fishes swam so erratically about the tank it was shaking and looked shocked. I have NEVER in my life felt so helpless and rang around vets to be told they don’t treat fish. I offered to pay any amount of money if the vet would help me.
They just replied sorry we don’t treat fish before replacing receiver.
I treated for external parasite as well as anti fluke medications.
I hadn’t slept properly since buying these fish I’m constantly checking up on them throughout the night.
Two days ago I laid down one night completely exhausted only to see one fish darting about the tank worse than ever. I switched on the light to find a 8cm worm still alive and moving hanging out of one of the fishes vent. It was longer than the fish I started crying helplessly before using the net to try and help the fish by putting it into a large plastic storage box filled with water. As i released it into the water the worm fell to bottom and coiled curled up before dying.
I never knew fish got worms until that moment.
I can see the brown bulge which frequently contracts inside both fishes.
I know I am dealing with a massive internal worm infestation and this has obviously been the reason for erratic darting.
I went to an aquatic shop 10 miles away in a taxi first thing yesterday morning after speaking on the phone to the shop manager and he told me to come and get this dewormer.
NT LABS anti fluke and wormer. Flubendazole 1000mg.
I removed everything from the tank other than filter with carbon etc removed added additional air stones.
My fish have passed more than a dozen worms since yesterday morning.
I also suspect they have eaten one or two during the one hours sleep I had last night.
The worms are still alive and I can see them moving and bulging from both fishes stomach.
They haven’t grown a mm since I bought them and I realise now that they have never had a ordinary poop as I now know I was vacuuming worms up from the tank substrate.
I have covered the tank glass with a dark coloured bed sheet and closed the blinds as I’ve read the medication doesn’t work when exposed to light.
I bought the fish as my therapist recommended an aquarium might help with my complex post traumatic stress disorder she is treating me for.
I live alone, I drive but don’t have a car as the DVLA told me I couldn’t drive until I’ve undergone therapy.
I have ran out of money buying, replacing tank decor, medications, and using taxis to get around.
I feel worse now than I have ever been during the years ive had PTSD.
I am making myself ill.
I don’t know what I’ll do if the two little fish die after everything I’ve tried to do.
Sorry for the long post.
Please help me, advise what to do as I can’t go on like this.
My local vet offered to euthanise both fish for £35 each if needed.
They are both eating still but I’m reluctant to continue feeding the worms and not my fish.
The attached photo shows one of the fish with the huge worm hanging down.
He is looking shocked 😢
Thank you.

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Re: I don’t know what else to do-please help? #2
Hi

Sorry to hear about your problems with your fish. I believe they probably have a specific worm species called Camallanus. They need a specific medication called levamisole to treat these. Esha NDX has levamisole as its active ingredient. If you can't find it locally, it's available on eBay here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/eSHa-NDX-An ... 5c16e8:g:de0AAOSw6WNazMbO
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Re: I don’t know what else to do-please help? #3
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Hi

Sorry to hear about your problems with your fish. I believe they probably have a specific worm species called Camallanus. They need a specific medication called levamisole to treat these. Esha NDX has levamisole as its active ingredient. If you can't find it locally, it's available on eBay here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/eSHa-NDX-An ... 5c16e8:g:de0AAOSw6WNazMbO


Thank you for your reply. I suspected it is camalanus worm as I’ve researched it.
I have already bought the EshA NDX from eBay land delivery is expected by tomorrow.
I hope my fish recover from this. They are both two beautiful lovely fish that swim over to front of glass when they see or recognise my voice. They will happily swim into fish net when I have to put them into plastic storage box for 20 mins to quickly clean the tank.
I think seeing me and hearing my voice trying to keep them calm is keeping them alive. I’ve had to talk to them to stop them both giving up as I’ve seen them floating swimming in one spot. They wait near surface at front of glass for me and still swim around in circles happily when they see me.
I have reported the pet store to council who issue the licenses to them. The council have requested my details and have assured me they will look into this as they have dealt with them before.
Do you know if the EshA product will kill the worms before they pass them out or not?
Do you know how long approx it will take for the worms to die after adding the treatment?
I hope it acts fast, my fish have never had a moments peace since they were born I suspect. They don’t deserve this.
I’m going to do everything I can to aid recovery if they pull through and it’s not too late for them.
I will keep you updated and thank you so much for your reply I really appreciate it.
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Re: I don’t know what else to do-please help? #4
I've just read through your posts in detail, and thought exactly the same as Fishlady (and you) - that this seems to be camallanus worms. In case you ever need vet advice in the future, this https://www.fishvetsociety.org.uk/inte ... illing-to-treat-pet-fish/ might be helpful for locating a suitable vet, but, for now, I'm convinced you'd be paying money for what would be the same diagnosis.

Your fish do indeed look lovely, and I'll keep my fingers tightly crossed for you that this treatment works and that the fish "pull through" to become healthy, so that you can go on to enjoy them and the interaction and rapport which you've clearly built up with them and vice versa (but minus all the stress you've had so far)... it will be well worth-it if they do (and hopefully this traumatic start you've had with them will in time become a dim and distant memory).

Do keep us posted.

I'll defer to Fishlady or someone else to answer your specific questions which I'm sorry I don't have sufficient knowledge or experience about to be able to answer.
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Re: I don’t know what else to do-please help? #5
Hi again,

Levamisole doesn't kill the worms, it acts by paralysing them so they release their hold on the fish and so are expelled. You must remove them from the tank as they are expelled to prevent the fish from trying to eat them and potentially ingesting eggs and continuing the infection. The fish should start passing worms with 4-6 hours of dosing with NDX and may continue to do so for 24 hours or more. Remove any worms when you spot them, and three days after treatment do a partial water change to remove the remaining meds from the water. Wait 2 weeks and then treat again so that if the fish have any camallanus eggs inside them they will have hatched and can be treated for.
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Re: I don’t know what else to do-please help? #6
Hi,
Thank you to you both for your comments and advice. I think it will be a long day and night as from looking at the fish they both look as though they will be a lot of worms. The symptoms lists on the Internet didn’t contain two of the main symptoms in my fish which would have made a quicker diagnosis if I’d come across the symptoms.
It’s the reason why I suspected internal worms last instead of first and if it wasn’t until a few days ago when one fish expelled the long worm it confirmed I’d misdiagnosed.
The two symptoms they had mainly was the erratic swimming and darting about the tank. The other was the contracting of the stomach cavity particularly when the fish ate, and the bulge/ dark shadow Which can be seen on their tummy’s.

My friend who has two large fish in her garden pond told me to stop fussing about them and the erratic swimming and hitting themselves against the glass was just the fish exercising? I honestly don’t know how her fish are still alive as she does everything the opposite way to caring for them. She has had the fish 10 years and she still believes the old myths about fish growing to size of their tank and she said when she was a child her parents had several tropical fish tanks containing a variety of tropical fish. She said her parents didn’t use tap safe treatments, carbon filters or heaters and she said the fish lived for many happy years.
She puts the hose pipe in the pond and leaves it running, and over flowing with water all day while she’s out shopping. She washes her sponge filters in clean running tap water and never in pond water and refuses to accept any advice of what she should be doing.

The photo attached are of the fish the week I bought them and the swimming up and down the front of the glass was constant, which they did all day and night and would only stop to feed before resuming the “exercise” my friend says they are doing! 🙄😂

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Re: I don’t know what else to do-please help? #7
The bulge shadow on their stomachs. 😕

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Re: I don’t know what else to do-please help? #8
Hi,
Just to update, I received the EshA ndx and applied the treatment to tank after a 50% water change.This was at 12.30pm.
They have expelled just two worms, one each and the worms were still alive and moving in the bucket I put them into. I poured boiling water from the kettle into the bucket with bleach. Then placed the bucket outside onto the balcony. The fish started glass surfing and flicking their tails within 10 minutes and began swimming up the side of the glass near the filter.

They seem irritated and both are still swollen. Another thing they’ve always done is nose down and tail up while pecking bottom of tank. There’s a handful of gravel I put down in one corner of the tank so the tank doesn’t look too empty for them.

I read on the box to do a 50% water change after just 24 hours.
It also says if no improvement to change 50% of the water and redose without dechlorinators or oxidisers in the water.
I did add dechlorinator prior to treating so perhaps I should try again tomorrow afternoon without it.
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Re: I don’t know what else to do-please help? #9
Sorry have only just seen this - yes, do redose after a 50% w/change. Let us know how they get on.
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Re: I don’t know what else to do-please help? #10
Hi,
The treatment hasn’t worked although they have expelled at least 25 worms between them. I can still see the worms moving when I feed the fish as the fishes gut tenses up and contracts sending fish into a wild frenzy.
After another night of no sleep as the fish were gasping for air at the surface and gulping water despite doing a 50% water change and adding 3 air pumps to tank.
They are extremely irritated as I write this.
I rang the PAH store customer services again and the guy on the phone just couldn’t believe I’ve never had any assistance during the 5 times I’ve gone back to store asking for help. He told me the store staff have contact numbers and links with vets and a marine biologist that could have helped me over the last 4-5 weeks.
He stayed on the phone to me while I emailed him photos of the fish and the worms and when he received them he replied “oh dear I know what you mean as there’s been a outbreak of these types of worms that are not responding to ordinary worming medication” he said he was forwarding the photos to the marine biologist and that someone would either email me or call me back as soon as they get a reply back from him.
I’m having to sit in a different room from the fish as there’s literally nothing else I can do that I haven’t tried already to alleviate the stress they are suffering.
They are currently throwing themselves against the tank glass and hitting their heads on everything while their stomach is in a spasm and contracting. I don’t think levamisole can treat these worms as I know the fish are severely infected still and during treatment the worms were/ are still moving and sending the fish crazy. I’m now awaiting to hear back from the store and I’m guessing whatever they suggest it is going to cost me again and I’m already using my student loan which I’ve never had to do as I had savings before I got the fish.
The way things are going I don’t care about the money or the cost I just want to see an end to this problem and they help my fish before it’s too late.