Weird string of unrelated issues? Help with goldfish treatment
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Hi all,
First post here, and it's going to be long so please bear with me! There's a summary at the end for those who can't get through it all! I just can't seem to get my goldfish tank right, I've tried a lot of different meds, and want input on whether my treatment plan seems sensible. I've had a browse and it seems like there are a lot of really knowledgeable people here so hopefully someone will have some ideas too.
I've had a tank for roughly 2 years, the original tank was a bit of a novice fish keeper situation, internal filters on a 200l, it never really got cycled (which I realise in hindsight).
Last September I decide to upgrade my tank and get serious. At that time I had one oranda in the tank. I'd previously had a common in there (first fish, from a fair), who exhibited a lot of symptoms I've since come to associate with fish tb - stunting despite being in a decent size tank, lethargy, crooked spine, and eventually dropsy, which is when I euthanised. At that time I did not have a test kit, so realise it could have been severe nitrite/ammonia poisoning rather than anything more sinister.
In Sept I upgrade to a 250l tank and an fx6 canister filter. I order 3 new fish at the same time and put them in the 200l and move my existing fish to the new set up. The old tank promptly springs a leak 3 days into quarantine. Into the main tank they go.
All good behaviour wise, but I notice white lumps on the mouths of 2 of the fish about a month after I got them. Suspect fungus, but by this point I'm deep into attempting to fish-in cycle having finally got a test kit and realised I'm not cycled. I figure I can mess around with meds later. The fungus never really gets bad, but is persistently mildly there to this day, despite now multiple rounds of treatment.
Around 3 months later the cycle is reliably established, but one of the new additions develops a suicidal habit of obsessively eating sand to the point he's constantly expelling it and swelled up like he has dropsy. Sand removed, needless to say, now it's bare bottom. Fish in question recovered but is left with slightly protruding scales on one side. He was fine for a while but nowadays is lethargic.
As of the last few months, another of the newer 3 editions looks a bit bloated. She has iridescent scales and I couldn't decide if that's what I'm seeing or whether it's early dropsy. She is the fish most affected by the persistent fungus. I leave it alone initially thinking I'm imagining the protruding scales.
Again, in the last few months, the oranda is persistently bottom sitting. Good behaviour when looking for food etc but otherwise she's on the bottom.
And in the last few months, the third of the new editions has developed swim bladder issues. She's a large ryukin and topples over nose down a lot, occasionally upside down but generally correcting herself. She often sits at the surface and surface breathes.
Treatments: each one I've tried I've then removed with carbon, and waited a week to 14 days waited between each one, generally with no noticeable effect at all, positive or negative:
Methylene blue baths for the fungus - this removes it but it reappears. I've done as much as 21 consecutive days of baths to no avail.
Interpet anti fungus and finrot
Waterlife Gill and Body flukes sterazin (active ingredients acriflavine, malachite green, piperazine citrate)
Fluke solve (active ingredient praziquantel)
Now the situation has escalated because the fish I was concerned about protruding scales is starting to pinecone. I've ordered antibiotics online from the USA (kanaplex and metroplex) because that seems to be the only stone left unturned, and can't get to the vet due to financial worries brought on by the lockdown, and because of the lockdown itself! I have a 90l quarantine tub and am considering just removing all four fish and treating them all, because something is going on.
tl;dr - all four fish have a separate issue and I've tried obvious parasite and anti fungal treatments. Tank is 250l, 4 fish, readings are 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, 5ppm nitrate, water change schedule is 60-70% every 4-5 days, I treat the water with prime. Filter is an fx6 and they have a large airstone.
Symptoms -
Fish 1 - raised scales from eating sand 4 months ago from which he recovered, now lethargic and breathing heavily;
Fish 2 - pine coning, mild at present and the main reason for buying antibiotics. Treating with epsom salt baths daily until the antibiotics arrive. Behaviour still good;
Fish 3 - swim bladder, surface breathing;
Fish 4 - bottom sitting;
Should I blanket treat with kanaplex and metroplex? Any thoughts if there could be a root cause.
I know this is super long, so thank you anyone who read to the end.