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Hodgey1978 Hodgey1978
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Re: Short cut to cycle tank? #11
Is die off from the rock the only reason you think I should not be doing what I am doing then?????

If so this is not a problem as I went to quite some lengths to ensure that the rock I selected was kept for 6 weeks while my tank was being built in a relatively small heated and lit tank with a filter and protein skimmer attached.
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Re: Short cut to cycle tank? #12
the rock must have been out of water at some point? where was it stored? locally ie less than 15 mins out of water? i doubt i could have managed it i have 100kg of LR in my tank and it took me the best part of 3 hours to get it in my tank how i wanted it so even if you have half as much as me the rock would have been out of the water long ennough for some die off.JMO
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Re: Short cut to cycle tank? #13
I am very lucky as I live only 2.1 miles per my sat nav from the place I got the rock so the move time was v-short.

As you have a similar sized tank (reef?)and thinking ahead three of four months I would be interested to hear how many fish you have in it and what sort? I am thinking about:

- a couple of clowns
- a fire fish
- one tang - probably yellow
- a sand sift goby

..plenty of time to think about it
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Re: Short cut to cycle tank? #14
well i stocked at the rate of one fish per month current stock is
lipstick tang
regal tang x2
kole tang
perc clowns x2
shot silk goby
scissortail goby
midas blenny

bear in mind all the tangs are still quite small and i have new homes for them when they outgrow my current tank
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Re: Short cut to cycle tank? #15
I figured just the one tang for mine as I have no plans for anything bigger than I have just got. I think two would be pushing it or do you think it would be OK? Say one yellow and one regal?
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Re: Short cut to cycle tank? #16
i think its all relative, my tangs got on fine no squabbles or anything but they all look totally difrent to each other the thing to remember is they get big and poo loads so having loads of tangs is rubbish if you want to keep a sucsessful reef as it'l be a constant battle with nitAtes, i have nitrAtes of between 5 and 10 as i went through a stage of over feeding(autofeeder went mad and dumped all the food in!) and its been a battle to get them down as i used to have nitrates of zero but thats the thing if you have a nano with high readings a big water change is easy with a 600l system its not we changed 100l a week for 4 weeks but its not the same as say changing 50% in one go.
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Re: Short cut to cycle tank? #17
Yes I take your point.

Have you ever added LR to an established tank? My other fish only has never really seemed to need any refresh but really I could do with another 20-30 kgs in my new big one. I think I will try and get some more from my current fantastic source before it runs out!
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Re: Short cut to cycle tank? #18
Quote:

Hodgey1978 wrote:


As for "perfect" water tests I am assuming that nil readings for ammonia, nitrate and nitrate plus PH/O2/PO4/CU/CA etc well within the correct ranges is as good as it gets? There are 2 small corals, three tiny crabs and two small shirmps in the system which is 550 ltrs in total inc sump (taking into account rock displacement - 700 ltrs total volume). How much waste can these things create in the context of that volume of water? I am testing the water every 3 or so days and unless I see the key parameters start to deteriorate then I will continue.

Thanks for the advice and I respect your view. However, as someone who has had a nano marine fish only tank for some time and has spent lots of time seeing the impact of animals and on water quality I will take my own path.


Ok , you seem to know best .

I wish you the best of luck with your tank.

Gonna bow out now as you obviously don't need advice.

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Hodgey1978 Hodgey1978
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Re: Short cut to cycle tank? #19
There is really no need to take your ball home. I do need advice and there is an awful lot of advice around because one of the things that makes this hobby so interesting is that everyone has a different opinion.

I have read lots of your posts on this forum and you clearly make a big contribution and help lots of people out. I also understand that you clearly have the welfare of the livestock in your mind much of the time and I fully agree with your sentiments. I have just spent ?2.5k on my set up to get the best gear and biggest tank I could afford and also lots of time researching for the very reason that if I am to be selfish enough to have an ornamental reef tank, funding the industry of plucking creatures out of the sea in the process, I want to do it to the very best level that I can. I would not knowingly make my first step one which I thought significantly put at risk the lives of my first corals and clean up crew in my new tank.

For this reason, I am grateful for your opinions as I am sure lots of people are but please try and tone it down a little - people need help through shared experiences and discussion. There is no need to wade in all guns blazing!

For the record my corals and CUC are doing well and my water quality is good. I am doing everything I can to try and keep it that way but taking nothing for granted.