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  • Posted on: 8/7/2009 2:21
Re: what do you think is best for my blackmoores? #1
First of all I am absolutely sickened at the thought of any animal cruelty, it is something that makes me so angry and brings me to tears. If I thought that someone was being serious I would immediatly jump in put them right. However I think from this post it was obvious it was a joke. For a start who in their right mind would ask for help about keeping fish and then say about putting a lead on a fish or the tank on wheels?! Defeats the object of seeking out a site for advise on keeping an animal and asking help and advise on their needs. So for that reason I thought it was obvious that it was a joke.

I get that there are some brainless/cruel people out there, I know there are!

Anyway i think everyone has made their point on that subject.

As for the green water I would guess if it is near bright sunlight it could be causing algae. I have had the same problem with the biorb downstairs which was in sunlight but has now been moved and corrected the problem. However without testing the water you can't know for sure what the exact problem is. Another factor could be an ammonia boom which could turn the water cloudy (not so much green though) so for that reason also you really need to get the water checked for the health of the fish.

As for how the site is run I do not have a problem in general but I do feel people on here are quite patronizing sometimes and feel that they are so quick to jump on you if you say something that is not correct by their anal standards.
60 litre

1 fantail/oranda

30 litre

6 minnows, 3 white cloud, 3 gold


stardust79 stardust79
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  • Posted on: 7/7/2009 1:46
Re: New fish not looking good. Only got him 12 hours ago! #2
water readings are

PH 8.0

AMMONIA 0

NITRITE 0

NITRATE 10 (not sure this test for nitrate is accurate)

Fish still has clamped fins constantly but is eating and active. 10 days now this has been going on.
60 litre

1 fantail/oranda

30 litre

6 minnows, 3 white cloud, 3 gold


stardust79 stardust79
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  • Posted on: 7/7/2009 1:43
Re: what do you think is best for my blackmoores? #3
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suey2 wrote:
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stardust79 wrote:
LOL can't believe people thought you were serious about putting leads on the fish.


There are some very strange people out there, one person's 'joke' is another person's totally serious suggestion ... And always bear in mind the OP is not the only person reading this, casual browsers/nutters are easily influenced


Oh come on, I would have to assume someone saying something like that on a fish site is obviously joking.
Not sure anyone would take it seriously or be influenced to do something like that.
I am an active member of many animal welfare charities and anti animal abuse awareness organizations, people either have it in them to be sick and cruel or they don't. Someone joking about putting a leash on a fish is obviously a joke or they wouldn't say it.

I am sick of people quoting me on this site to be so quick on pulling me up on everything I say that is wrong.
60 litre

1 fantail/oranda

30 litre

6 minnows, 3 white cloud, 3 gold


stardust79 stardust79
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  • Posted on: 4/7/2009 3:50
Re: New fish not looking good. Only got him 12 hours ago! #4
Ok the new oranda is not looking good again today. I am clueless to what the problem is as water parameters are how they should be and have remained stable since I introduced the new fish.

He is eating and swimming around but his fins are clamped solid. I still cannot see any signs of disease visually.He also occasionally flicks and flashes and rubs himself on plants. No white spots though. He is black so I would be able to see them clearly if he had any. My goldie has been clamping his fins on and off too since yesterday. Panda moore seems ok so far.

Would a PH of 8 be irritating him? Am going to do another 20% water change tomorrow to dilute the remaining salt. Did one on tuesday.
60 litre

1 fantail/oranda

30 litre

6 minnows, 3 white cloud, 3 gold


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  • Posted on: 2/7/2009 3:56
Re: New fish not looking good. Only got him 12 hours ago! #5
Erm...not sure about the ?800 price tag lol. I like sueys rena though. Will keep an eye open on freecycle for now and get saving in the meantime. I have seen some good priced affordable tanks locally I have seen a 200 litre for ?175 which is much more doable than ?800.

Yes I would never add cold water to my small 60 litre, it would probably shock my fish so I add iced water bottles, small 500 ml ones to do it slowly. I actually like doing water changes, I find it therapeutic I probably do it the hard way by storing 6 5 litre bottles in the cupboard, would have to do buckets and kettle water for a bigger tank.

I haven't added melafix, there was no need in the end as fishie perked up. All fish are currently very lively. Am actually surprised that my water has remained fine since adding the new fish. I was expecting a little spike.
60 litre

1 fantail/oranda

30 litre

6 minnows, 3 white cloud, 3 gold


stardust79 stardust79
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  • Posted on: 2/7/2009 3:41
Re: what do you think is best for my blackmoores? #6
methelyne blue (sorry if mispelt) is powerful stuff for white spot, is good at treating it. However this will kill the filter bacteria and the tank will start to cycle again. When did you last treat with the white spot meds?

It really is a must to invest in a water testing kit, if you can't do that then most fish shops will test the water for you. Water quality is the key to keeping fish healthy, if the water is full of ammonia and nitrite you will have problems like white spot again. API test kits on ebay are around ?15, It was the best buy for me because I can monitor my water and not do unessersary water changes. If you do buy one then go for the freshwater kit which tests PH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate.

LOL can't believe people thought you were serious about putting leads on the fish.
60 litre

1 fantail/oranda

30 litre

6 minnows, 3 white cloud, 3 gold


stardust79 stardust79
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  • Posted on: 1/7/2009 5:34
Re: what do you think is best for my blackmoores? #7
Welcome smdbwc

Do you know anything about fishkeeping at all? Just wondering what your knowledge is so far :)

I have just got a little panda moore, soo cute!

I do know that black moores grow quite large and when they get a little bigger I would look at getting a bigger tank for them. There is time to do that though.

I know that these types of fishies inparticular are quite sensetive to water quality so testing your water for ammonia, nitrite and PH once a week is a must. Do you know anything about the fish tank cycle?

As for feeding, all fancy fish including black moores should be fed sinking pellet food to stop them gobbling air when they eat which can result in balance problems...don't want to worry you with all of that though but sinking pellets are the best food for them.
They also benefit from a once or twice weekly bit of greenery such as lettuce or a de shelled mushed pea, thawed from frozen. daphnia is good for them also which is sold in either sachets at a fish store or frozen.

Have a look on this site for advice on cycling, testing water and general fish care. It is a great hobby and fish are great pets and bring a lot of happiness and also very interesting learning about their needs and behaviour.

LOL...I am not sure they would quite make it out the door on a lead
60 litre

1 fantail/oranda

30 litre

6 minnows, 3 white cloud, 3 gold


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  • Posted on: 30/6/2009 2:10
Re: New fish not looking good. Only got him 12 hours ago! #8
Fish seems a lot better tonight, he is very active swimming around for the last 5 hours and no clamped fins.

I have just brought a cooling fan off ebay.

I got the capacity wrong on the tank I want, it's the juwel 160 which is 35 gallons. I am going to be looking around though before I settle on one but I would like at least a 5 foot but I do want height aswell as length. I may look into getting one made to my specifications.

What would be the ideal for 3 oranda/goldies? I know what it is for one but not 3.

I asked about the heat in the LFS and the guy in there said he puts cold water in to cool his tank down...not a good idea!
60 litre

1 fantail/oranda

30 litre

6 minnows, 3 white cloud, 3 gold


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  • Posted on: 29/6/2009 3:06
Re: New fish not looking good. Only got him 12 hours ago! #9
I can't wait to get the new tank

I would just love to see my fish with lots of room.

I was actually measuring the weight of water and was shocked at what 60 litres weighs! I am looking at a 160 litre tank at the moment.

Well I weigh 10 stone and have stood on the desk many times to take my curtains down so I know it can take that much weight but I am a little wary and will post pics up this week of my desk. Either that or I may do away with the desk and get a proper stand. Will have to work it all out.

I live in a house and the tank will be upstairs which has floorboards. Funny enough we are actually getting someone in shortly as one of the floorboards by the stairs has broken so may ask the guy what he thinks about the weight of a tank.

Anyway the fish is still not right today, he still has clamped fins and retreats to the bottom of the tank most of the time. Tested water today and all is perfect so I took a guess it could be the salt and did a 20% water change to dilute some of it. He did perk up for a while, come out for some food but then went back down the bottom. He shows no visible signs of disease and the other 2 fish are fine.

Have taken lid of today to get some air in there and cool it down a little,floated some ice bottles in there too as it was reaching 28 degress celcius this afternoon. temperature is now at 20 degrees celcius.

I hope the little oranda perks up in the next few days.

Not sure if I should add a little melafix as a tonic? Is it a good idea as a precaution? Or will it iritate the fish?
60 litre

1 fantail/oranda

30 litre

6 minnows, 3 white cloud, 3 gold


stardust79 stardust79
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  • Posted on: 27/6/2009 19:48
Re: New fish not looking good. Only got him 12 hours ago! #10
Fish seems to be a little more active today, especially since I have left the lid of the tank and floated an ice bottle in there. It has been very hot weather.

Suey, yes I have learned and all the fish in this 60 litre will be getting a bigger home soon. I have decided to use the whole of my 6 foot desk to house a 5 foot tank.
They are very tiny right now so I will be setting up new tank in the next 2 months.

No. Now the tank has cycled I am not adding anymore salt. I haven't added any in the last water change so actally there will be slightly less in there now that a 0.1% solution.

We have decided to do away with the biorb so that my mum will be getting my 60 litre for her minnows when I get my new tank.
60 litre

1 fantail/oranda

30 litre

6 minnows, 3 white cloud, 3 gold



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