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  • Posted on: 10/1 16:47
Re: Swimbladder issue or something else? #1
Thank you so much for your help. I will try for one of them, he's only shown signs of problems for a few days. The other two have sadly just gone down hill fast...I keep putting it off, but I think it will be kinder to put them to sleep :( I can't stand watching the poor little things suffer anymore, they just lay there looking up at me...and it makes me sad to see them like this. I just also feel sad about being the one to end their days. But I'm hoping that at least with clove oil it will be quick and painless :(
Thanks again though...I really appreciate your help.


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  • Posted on: 9/1 10:44
Re: Swimbladder issue or something else? #2
I did think that...I was just hoping it would be something I could treat. I've grown attached to the funny little things over the past two months and even at this age they have their own little ways. That's very sad news...but thank you.


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  • Posted on: 7/1 22:06
Re: Swimbladder issue or something else? #3
Well...I tried not feeding for a few days, and tried peas again. Little Button is still lying on the bottom flopped over on his side. He does swim every so often, but has to wiggle about to swim...and it seems to make him tired very quickly.
I've tried some swimbladder treatment, which has made no difference so far.
I now have two others lying on their side, little Seven likes to sit on the heater, wedged between that and the side of the tank. The other little one sits flopped over on the top of the filter. The bigger one, Fry, is fine and swims around all day and is clearly growing...the others haven't shown any significant growth for the past four weeks.
I'm really worried about them :(
Any ideas would be welcome, thanks.


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  • Posted on: 2/1 19:42
Re: Swimbladder issue or something else? #4
Thank you for the reply, I'll definitely try that. I have reduced the amount of food, but didn't want to completely stop as they're so young. But if you think they'll be ok, I'll definitely give it a go...fingers crossed. Thanks again :)


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  • Posted on: 2/1 12:27
Swimbladder issue or something else? #5
Hi, I have a problem with one...possibly two, of my 7 week old goldfish fry. They are in a 30L tank with a heater set at 24°C. I have been feeding them baby brine shrimp, but a couple of weeks ago also started feeding them crushed dried daphnia and Liquifry No3. They have their tank vacuumed each day, when I change 60-70% of the water. A couple of weeks ago I was having issues with pH, and this led to an ammonia spike...this was rectified by adding crushed coral.
They had been doing fine, although some were growing much faster than the others, and two of the bigger ones have now gone to live in the big boys tank. Sadly, the smallest one died...one minute he was swimming around just fine, and then a few minutes later his little body was stuck to the filter :( But I'm thinking maybe the ammonia spike was too much for him as he was very small compared to the others.
Sadly one of them, Button (I have four remaining in the fry tank) has spent the last week lying on the bottom. He does try to swim about and manages to swim with a very zigzaggy motion, he'll swim up to the top and do a few loops of the tank, then sinks to the bottom, where he can't maintain a stable position. He usually ends up on his side, or on his head...poor little thing. I did take him out and put him in a separate box, but the water was getting so cold (my house is like a freezer!) and I don't have a spare heater or filter...or a spare socket, so I ended up putting him back in the fry tank.
Now his little brother Seven has started to show the same signs...lying on his side on the bottom...although, he is still very active.
I have continued to check the water daily...ammonia 0, nitrite 0, nitrates 5-10, pH 6.8 (still low, but much better than it was, and a stable 6.8 now).
I've tried feeding him mashed peas (which my adult fish have every week and love them), but he didn't seem to know what to do with it. I've lowered the level of water in the tank, so he doesn't have to swim so high to reach the surface, and I've cut down on the food...but he's not getting any better after a full week now.
Am I being cruel to him by leaving him like this, I keep looking at the clove oil, but he looks so determined when he's swimming I don't want to put him to sleep if he still has a chance of a happy life.
Any other suggestions of what to do, or if it could be something other than a swimbladder disorder.
Many thanks in advance.


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  • Posted on: 22/12 14:32
Re: Crazy pH in fry tank! #6
Thank you, I've already ordered some more crushed coral as that is what helped with my main tank. I've always worried about adding bicarb as I didn't want to be constantly messing around with the pH, but you've convinced me now...and I think whatever happens it will be better for the poor fish than being in such unstable water conditions.
A big thank you! :)


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  • Posted on: 22/12 14:05
Crazy pH in fry tank! #7
I noticed today that one of my 6 week old fry has one gill curled up, I didn't notice it yesterday and I check on them a lot. I do a daily vacuum of any fish poo and any leftover food, and also change 60% of their water. As they were unexpected it was a new tank set up and therefore wasn't cycled, so I added some plants from my main tank and some of the filter media and hoped that combined with the use of Prime it would be ok.
I did notice a rise in ammonia and then nitrite, and finally was at 5.0 on the nitrates, and some days did two 70 % water changes to keep ammonia and nitrite levels down. After reading up on the cause of gill curl, I quickly did an ammonia test and was shocked that it was green and around 1.0! The nitrite was also at 0.50, and nitrates at around 5.0. I thought my tank was cycled about a week ago as everything seemed fine by then. I also did a pH test, I hadn't been doing them as I guess I was more focused on feeding, cleaning and checking other things.
The pH was crazy, the colour in the container was bright yellow, and the lowest reading on the card is 6.0, and that is a lime green! I did have problems with my main tank, my tap water is 7.4, but within an hour of being in the tank was dropping to 6.2!! I tried adding more rocks, and eventually tried crushed coral in the filter, which worked and things settled down. But this is even worse! I have a doctorate in molecular biology and I'm at a complete loss as to how water can drop from 7.4 to below 6.0 in an empty glass tank! The only things in there are the filter, heater, and some anacharis from the main tank. I've just added some rocks from the main tank in the hope it will help, but I'm utterly confused!
I assume that the low pH must have caused the death/dormancy of the bacteria that had established as I can't see why else I have such high ammonia levels. I tested the pH with the Prime and that actually raised the pH to 7.8, so it's actually a drop from 7.8 to down below 6.0 within an hour...my poor little grandfish! And my poor Obi (the biggest fry) and his folded back gill...any advice will be gratefully received!
Thank you!


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  • Posted on: 19/12 19:19
Re: Fry growth... #8
Awww, thank you. I certainly will...I'll try and get some photos if they'll stay still for a second! :)


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  • Posted on: 19/12 18:52
Fry growth... #9
Hi, six weeks on from the birth of my unexpected fry and all is looking good...although I did lose one last week, he was the smallest and although he looked ok, I guess he wasn't doing so well...poor little chap.
Anyhow, the largest is an inch long and looks like a monster compared to the others! Two are about three quarters of an inch long, and two of the remaining three are just over half an inch, with the smallest just a tad shorter...these three are also quite skinny although they seem lively and well.
I'm surprised at the difference in sizes as they were all pretty much the same up until week four when Obi, the largest had a sudden growth spurt and doubled in size that week and again the week after. Button and Weirdo (he's such an odd, grumpy looking little thing) also had obvious growth, but Seven, Fry and Pumpkin only grew a little...and haven't shown any significant growth for the past two weeks. They all have all their fins nicely developed, and have started to develop colour patterns...the only difference is the size.
They're at 24°C, have a 60% water change daily, when I also remove all the uneaten food from the bottom of the tank. And they're fed BBS, crushed dried daphnia and Liquifry 3 Baby Plus, they have a selection of these 5-6 times a day. For the first month they had only BBS.
Is it normal for such a huge difference in size, or am I doing something wrong? I realise that most breeders would have culled the tiddlers...but they're my grandfish :)
Any advice welcome...worried that as Obi continues to grow he may soon be able to eat the smaller ones! Although, he can go in the big boy's tank when he's a little bigger :)


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  • Posted on: 26/11/2018 10:13
Re: Unexpected fry... #10
Hi Fishlady, thank you for the advice. You could be right, I keep them at around 20°C, but I put the heating on each evening, which is set at 22°C. Most days my thermostat says around 14°C when I get up and it tends to stay that way all day...so I guess that could also be lowering the temp in the tank during the day, even with the heater on, as it is very cold in this house.
I think I'll have to just leave any new fry...but it'll be hard to do. But yes, better for the other fish in the long run.
Thanks again. Have a good week.



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