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Miss Pennyapple Miss Pennyapple
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  • Posted on: 29/1/2010 19:31
Re: Brown algae is there any way to control it? #1
The meds in the tank will definitely have upset the balance in the tank, so give it some time to settle again. Do you have plants in there? Plants soak up the nutrients that algae use so adding more plants should help to out-compete the algae.

Do you use activated carbon in your filter? I used to, and had a lot of brown algea too. But I took it out to use some meds before Christmas and didn't put it back in, and the difference in remarkable. Hardly any brown algae at all now, and I don't think I'll be adding the carbon back any time soon.
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Miss Pennyapple Miss Pennyapple
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  • Posted on: 29/1/2010 19:26
Re: Hello folks #2
With that tap water results for PH (which is preferred by goldies) and difference in your tank, something is happening in there to bring that down so low. What do you have in the tank decor-wise? What kind of gravel? How often do you do a water change?

Were those last test results for your tap water? It has ammonia in it?

Yes, rehoming the algae eater is a very good idea. And in a tank that size that's overstocked, water changes every 2-3 days will be required really to keep the fish healthy until you can upgrade.

It's very annoying, and upsetting, when pet shops give out incorrect info all the time. Been there, got the wrong info, and had to find out for myself that I'd got wrong info! But I was able to upgrade and fix my fishy problems. Thank goodness! I try to keep away from places like Pets at Home now, as it just upsets me to see their tanks - most of the time they are being treated for whitespot it seems!!
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Miss Pennyapple Miss Pennyapple
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  • Posted on: 29/1/2010 19:16
Re: Advice on sick Blue Oranda & Black Moor #3
Hehe, great minds think alike Violet!!
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Miss Pennyapple Miss Pennyapple
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  • Posted on: 29/1/2010 19:15
Re: Advice on sick Blue Oranda & Black Moor #4
Hi, and welcome to the forum.

The first thing I'm going to say is that these illnesses and death of your fish will be more than likely caused by water quality issues. You tank is too small for your fish to begin with. 2 fancy goldfish require a tank of 100L minimum. It also sounds like you didn't cycle the tank before you added the fish. Did you? This means adding a souce of ammonia (fish food for example) to the tank for approx 4 - 6 weeks until the good bacteria needed to keep you fish safe, can establish in the filter.

Here's the process every filter/tank must go through before you have good water quality; fish produce ammonia through their waste and this is highly toxic to them. Without the good bacteria in the filter to convert this ammonia to NitrITE the fish will get sick. Once the bacteria convery the ammonia to NitrITE, this is still toxic to them. NitrITE will suffocate your fish, which is why another type of good bacteria is needed. NitrITE is converted to NitrATE. NitrATE is the end product of the Nitrogen cycle I've just described and is tolerated by your fish at low levels. THis end process indicates that the tank is 'cycled' and safe for the fish. Unless you allowed this process to happen in your tank for 4-6 weeks it is unlikely your tank is cycled.

The bacteria needed to keep the fish safe and break down their waste lives in your filter. It is vital that you never clean the filter under the tap, as this will kill all the good bacteria you need. You must only ever rinse your filter sponges in a bucket of old tank water.

How ofter are you performing a water change? You need to get a test kit asap to test you water and give us the resuilts for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. The API kit is good, don't use the paper test strips as they are not accurate.

The damage to your fish doesn't look too bad at the moment - the moor looks ok. Don't add any more meds to the tank. They will be having an adverse effect at the moment on your water quality and cycling process.

Until we know your water test results, you should perform a 50% water change as soon as you can, and there after a 25% water change everyday. Remember to use a dechlorinator and temp match the replacement water. If you can keep the ammonia and nitrite as low as possible for the moment with the water changes until your tank is cycled I'm confident your fish will recover.
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Miss Pennyapple Miss Pennyapple
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  • Posted on: 28/1/2010 22:08
Re: Quarantined Plant #5
Thanks Sue, good to know that's an option then. I will just rinse it under the tap with the other plants then. Thanks.
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Miss Pennyapple Miss Pennyapple
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  • Posted on: 28/1/2010 22:06
Re: Hello folks #6
Hiya, I think getting a larger tank of 200L plus for the 3 fancies would be sensible. The Shuunkin will get even bigger than the fancy goldies so you should consider rehoming him to a pond in the spring. I think you said you had an algea eater thing in there too? Not suitable tank mate for goldies - can get boistrous and injure the goldies and they like to eat the slimecoat off the goldies! Yuck!

Yes, get a test kit asap, the strips are no good. I'm going to guess that your Nitrate level will be high as your very overstocked. I struggle with my nitrate level and I have 4 fancies in 165L which is why i'm upgrading to 260L asap. And that Ph is a concern, too low for goldies, but I've never really understood the Ph thing so can't advise on what to do about it. What is your tap PH?
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Miss Pennyapple Miss Pennyapple
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  • Posted on: 28/1/2010 21:57
Re: Quarantined Plant #7
Thanks for your replies - not sure what to do now!

It's a nice plant and it's grown well submerged which is the only reason I'm loathed to ditch it. I don't see how any parasite could survive that long without a host, but, I'm not an expert! Not sure if it's worth the risk. I could rinse it under the tap I suppose.

Frances - yeah, we do quarantine plants don't we? So nasties die off before the plant goes near the tank. Good point.

Anyone else any thoughts on this?

On the same subject, perhaps a silly question but here goes! Before adding new plants to my tank I quarantine for a few days, then rinse under the tap, then sit in some dechlorinated water before planting. But I have a moss ball which I bought online and I'm not sure if I should rinse it under the tap incase it soaks up all the chlorine water!! It's like a sponge! Funny thing! Any ideas on this one?! The plants I buy are from an online retailer and they only sell Tropica so I've always assumed they were probably parasite free anyway since they weren't grown with fish. Make sense?!
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Miss Pennyapple Miss Pennyapple
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  • Posted on: 28/1/2010 18:35
Quarantined Plant #8
Hello, just looking for some advice on a plant I have in quarantine at the moment from my goldy tank.

If you've read my 'Droncit' topic, you'll know that since Christmas I've been treating my fish for parasites. I now believe this to have been flukes. During treatment I added salt to the tank - the only plant in there that didn't like this was the Amazon Sword, so I moved it to my QT. It's been there since the start of December, with only some other plants, no fish. Obviously the pararsites would have been on the plant too when it was moved to QT, but I'm wondering if it would be safe to move it back to the main tank? I'm just not sure, so thought I'd get opinion on this!

It's been in QT for 2 months now and I've read that flukes must find a host within a few hours or they die. So, in theory, there shouldn't be any nasties in the QT or on the plant. But, should I risk this, or am I being paranoid? I'm not keen on adding anything chemically to the QT. Do you guys think I'm risking infecting my main tank again by moving the plant back or should I just chuck it in the bin?

Thoughts please! Thanks.
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Miss Pennyapple Miss Pennyapple
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  • Posted on: 28/1/2010 13:42
Re: Droncit Vs Flukes! #9
Hi Sue, thanks for asking, yes, fishes doing fine!

Scratching reduced again to a minimum, all damage from scratching healed up nicely, fishes all happy and very energetic again. It has to have been flukes!

3rd and final dose due tomorrow, then keep everything crossed I've got the blighters this time!!
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Miss Pennyapple Miss Pennyapple
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  • Posted on: 28/1/2010 13:39
Re: Hello folks #10
Don't think anyone mentioned this yet, but you are waaaay overstocked for a 95L tank. That is only suitable for 2 fancy goldfish and even then, they would likely outgrow that and require a larger tank. 40L per fancy goldfish is what is required, and 80L for the shubunkin.
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