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Fishlady Fishlady
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  • Posted on: 28/6 21:43
Re: Newbie fishless cycling #41
You need to keep dosing ammonia every time it drops to close to 0 until you get to the stage where both ammonia and nitrite are 0 24 hours after a dose. Nitrate will rise very high, it won't ever fall as it's the end product of the cycle and is removed by regular partial water changes. Once you have 0 ammonia and 0 nitrites, 24 hours after a dose of ammonia, you can do a large water change to reduce nitrate and get your fish. Don't wait unless you continue dosing ammonia, as with no ammonia source the beneficial bacteria you've grown in your fishless cycle will starve and die.


China42 China42
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  • Posted on: 28/6 16:09
Re: Newbie fishless cycling #42
After 3 doses of household Ammonia (10%) over 10 days, I now have Ammonia @ 0.25 ppm, Nitrate at 2.00 ppm and Nitrate @ 80+ ppm. I now intend to stop dosing and wait for Ammonia and Nitrite to drop to zero, with Nitrate down to under 20 ppm, before introducing first fish. I am using API master test kit for water chemistry.

How long should I be showing zero Amm & Nitrite before I introduce fish? First fish are going to be 4 Otocinclus.

Does this all sound right?

Thanks in advance for your help


fcmf fcmf
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  • Posted on: 27/6 22:55
Re: Helping my betta. In a bowl.... #43
I have no personal experience with these balls but, having read the pack about them online, don't think they'd do any harm to place one in the bowl and it might well help - but you will definitely need to keep up the same level of water changes and don't use this as a substitute.

Seachem Prime as your dechlorinator might also help too, if you're not already using it - while it doesn't reduce the ammonia or nitrite, it does detoxify it for the next 48 hours.

Good luck with the fishless cycling in the 5-gallon tank.


Nunciata Nunciata
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  • Posted on: 27/6 15:30
Helping my betta. In a bowl.... #44
My 5 gallon tank is still in the fish less cycle, I have nitrites starting but probably still a few weeks away from being able to move my betta into the aquarium. In the meantime, I’ve been testing his bowl water and doing partial water changes to keep him as comfortable as possible. As you can imagine, the ammonia builds up pretty quickly. Would dropping an Aqueon pure ball hurt him at all? Could it help? There are 2 moss balls and a rock with a plant on it in his bowl. So the bacteria would have a place to live I’m thinking.

Thoughts?


Nunciata Nunciata
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  • Posted on: 26/6 16:39
Re: Add water during a fishless cycle? #45
Thank you!


fcmf fcmf
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  • Posted on: 26/6 15:59
Re: Newbie queries on stocking a 70l tank with tetras #46
Good plan.

Provided that you're following the fishless cycling method here https://www.fishkeeping.co.uk/articles ... hless-cycling-article.htm (as opposed to some other version such as bacteria in a bottle which can be very 'hit and miss'), then you could stock them all straight away as there will be sufficient beneficial bacteria to process all of the waste/ammonia produced. In fact, this has two advantages: (i) if you only stocked 6 at a time, then the beneficial bacteria will recede to only process the waste of 6 fish, and stocking more at a later stage would be like a fish-in cycle; and (ii) there will be just the one episode of sorting out the pecking order as opposed to each time.

The only difficulty you might encounter with stocking all at once is a shop that might have staff unaware of the reliable fishless cycling method using ammonia, as they've only been taught fish-in cycling with bacteria in a bottle and think it's more modern and incorrectly believe it's superior, in which case they may attempt to limit how many they sell. Fingers crossed this won't be the case but perhaps best to be aware of it or have a back-up plan such as another place from which you can buy the remainder.


sisyphus sisyphus
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  • Posted on: 26/6 15:00
Re: Newbie queries on stocking a 70l tank with tetras #47
That's great, thanks ever so much. Yeah, from my reading, 15 seemed to be the ceiling, so I thought I'd go for a few under that to be on the safe side. Out of interest, once my water parameters are all right, would it be sensible to introduce in batches of say six at a time rather than in one burst or is it much of a muchness?


fcmf fcmf
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  • Posted on: 26/6 14:41
Re: Newbie queries on stocking a 70l tank with tetras #48
Lovely fish, and a great idea to stock it with a single species. I've had a look at a couple of stocking calculators online and, taking into account recommendations to account for 10% volume of tank for decor and sensible/responsible stocking of ~75%, you could probably have up to 15 of these fish (although these stocking calculators don't take into account nature of the fish such as how boisterous or active they are).


sisyphus sisyphus
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  • Posted on: 26/6 14:40
Re: Newbie queries on stocking a 70l tank with tetras #49
Brilliant, thank you for your help and reassurace that I'm on the right track. It's a bit of balancing act between overstocking and having a big enough group to keep 'em as happy as possible. The most wonderful thing about fishkeeping's the shear amount of learning that you have to do!


Fishlady Fishlady
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  • Posted on: 26/6 11:18
Re: Electric Blue Acara's laid eggs!! Help! #50
Let them try themselves. The first few times they may mess up and eat them, but will usually get it right eventually.



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