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Fishlady Fishlady
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  • Posted on: 24/5 20:20
Re: Losing platy one at a time and more frequently #31
How hard is your water? (gH and kH).

Fishyfishfish Fishyfishfish
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  • Posted on: 24/5 17:32
Losing platy one at a time and more frequently #32

I need some urgent advice about my dying platy fish. I lost one a couple weeks ago followed by a danio (which I believe was an isolated incident with the danio because it looked like it caught itself and ripped off a couple of scales and never recovered).

The platy become lethargic and emaciated and almost look like they become paralyzed at the back. Just the way they move seems strange and they spend a lot of time at the bottom of the tank. They sway with the movement of the water as if they have no strength/ability to move normally.

I've currently got two quarantined and I dosed them with esha 2000 but I don't think that's the answer in this case.

I've got some Waterlife Sterazin and I'm thinking of using that because I see no visible signs of trauma on the fish; no lesions, spots, cuts or anything like that.

Water parameters are good - 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite and about 30-40 nitrate.

Can anyone offer some advice?

merpig merpig
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  • Posted on: 23/5 19:34
Re: Weird string of unrelated issues? Help with goldfish treatment #33
I’ve gone with the meds so they’re back in their bucket as of today!

They seem noticeably more active in there than in the tank. Really can’t figure this one out.

I’ll keep you posted!

Oldgreg Oldgreg
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  • Posted on: 23/5 17:32
Re: Aggressive breeding severums #34
Thanks for the reply. I’m not interested in breeding them so this seems like the only real option available. it’s a shame as she is a lovely specimen.
Now to try and find someone ‘worthy enough’ to take her

Thanks again

Fishlady Fishlady
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  • Posted on: 23/5 15:18
Re: Aggressive breeding severums #35
The tank is big enough then, even when they finish growing. I have a pair of these in my 6ft but started with 5 juveniles. When they matured there were two pairs and a spare male, and with a breeding pair at each end and a male being bullied by both it was chaos so I rehomed all but a pair. The male is now about 8 inches long. I think if you don't want to breed them they'll settle after the female has gone.

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Oldgreg Oldgreg
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  • Posted on: 23/5 9:15
Re: Aggressive breeding severums #36

It’s a 350 litre (92 us gallons/77 imperial gallons).
The fish are roughly 5 inches nose to tail.

Fishlady Fishlady
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  • Posted on: 23/5 6:52
Re: Aggressive breeding severums #37
You can try rehoming the female and that may help, but there is a possibility that the males may fight for dominance - how big is the tank?

fcmf fcmf
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  • Posted on: 22/5 23:29
Re: Weird string of unrelated issues? Help with goldfish treatment #38
Sorry to read about this deterioration (and the pressure from your partner which has essentially led to this!). All very mysterious.

I'm probably 35% oriented towards seeing if it resolves the issues in the spare tub minus medication (which might help us establish the nature of it such as involvement of stress hormones) and 65% minded towards taking the risk and medicating again given the extent of deterioration, then try to establishthe degree to which different factors are involved.

If you do proceed with the medication now, then please emphasise to your partner that the fish will need to stay in this isolation tank during that AND afterwards for a fortnight to see how the situation evolves - just as important to maximise recuperation and work out what's going on as the medication stage. By then, the other antibiotic should have arrived and you can make a decision whether to treat with that at that stage or return the fish to the main tank one by one.

Hope that sounds a sensible plan.

JessFishKeeper JessFishKeeper
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  • Posted on: 22/5 22:30
Re: Goldfish Fry #39
Oh wow thanks for letting me know...!
I did think it was odd that I wasn’t asked any questions before I got him... they just said as long as the water wasn’t ‘too cold’ that he’d be ok🤷🏼‍♀️
Will do some research and let you know that I decide to do
Thanks again☺️

merpig merpig
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  • Posted on: 22/5 21:38
Re: Weird string of unrelated issues? Help with goldfish treatment #40
So unfortunately my partner was not super thrilled about the 90l bucket on our living room floor when the fish inside had completed treatment, and against better judgment (and advice!) I replaced the two that have undergone treatment back in the tank (having drip acclimated just in case) on 18/05.

Initially I was thrilled that the treated oranda and ranchu were extremely active and displaying none of the symptoms that led me to treat in the first place, bar a tiny amount of fungus on the ranchu's mouth which has not changed for months (teeny tiny, doesn't impede eating, just won't shift no matter what). So I was pretty satisfied.

This continued for approx 2 clear days after which all the behaviours - lethargy and heavy breathing for the ranchu, bottom sitting for the oranda - reappeared, along with worsening of the ryukin's swim bladder issue which is still relatively mild and could be a coincidence of course. All the symptoms are less prevalent than before I treated but escalating quickly to the point today both of the two treated fish have spent almost all day on the bottom (still excited by anyone approaching the tank etc).

As suggested, I have carefully monitored my levels since they were reintroduced and they have not spiked at all - ammonia and nitrite have held steady at 0, nitrate sits somewhere between 10 and 20ppm and a water change is due tomorrow.

To me, this suggests that whatever the issue is, it is present in the tank, the kanaplex is somewhat effective against it, but there has been reinfection. Would you agree? Perhaps the reintroduction of the fish and the associated increase in hormones in the water has stressed the ryukin, accounting for the flare up in swim bladder...

So my current strategy is that the oranda and the ranchu go back in the tub for another round of treatment. Would doing a back to back double round (so 14 days) treatment be likely to adversely affect their kidneys at this stage? And then my plan was to leave them in the tub for at least 7 days after conclusion of the treatment as you originally suggested. Then perhaps to add one back to the tank, and if that goes smoothly, add the other say a week later?

I do still have the metroplex as an additional antibiotic treatment to try, although it is still yet to be delivered.

Hopefully this makes sense and sounds sensible?

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