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Francesvdm Francesvdm
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  • Posted on: 22/1/2010 11:41
Re: Antibiotics #21
Thanks, Miss P and Squish. She is just "chilling" at the bottom today, but I am just going to let her be because she has used a lot of energy trying to get down or two days. She swims up everytime I come near, poor little darling.

I have made the antibiotic food now - third attempt. It will be caked and dry by tonight and then I will give it to her.

A right sorry state: one just lying on the bottom and the other hanging at the top! Oh, and babies displaying spawning behaviour and chasing like mad :(


Francesvdm Francesvdm
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  • Posted on: 22/1/2010 8:12
Re: Antibiotics #22
Hi Rachel, thanks for the encouragement! She is exactly like Gilly. I have also learnt that if I sit and watch her she just continues to struggle, so I put the lights out last night and this morning when I crept in she was lying sleeping at the bottom. She is swimming about like a normal little fish right now but I don't know how long it will last.

My tap water now has nitrate of 40! And I know this can have an effect. I have an entire 2L DeNitrate from Seachem in my one filter at the minute to try and reduce it at least in the tank. The water is driving me mad. At least the Ph is constant at 7.6, both the water and in the tank.

I decided to only give her a tiny piece of cauliflower and an even tinier piece of shrimp this morning. Last time I did that I saw the effects - all the contents of her stomach came shooting out - by the afternoon. I will start her back on antibiotics this evening, but "Andy-style".

Something has got to work, if only she could survive on love alone!


Francesvdm Francesvdm
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  • Posted on: 21/1/2010 21:08
Re: Antibiotics #23
I have felt her tummy very gently before and there doesn't seem to be any lumps, it seems quite squidgy like I thought females were meant to be. Thanks for advice on Vaseline.


Francesvdm Francesvdm
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  • Posted on: 21/1/2010 20:50
Re: Antibiotics #24
Hi Suey,
Thanks for that. I have read the thread about two weeks ago and followed everything on it to the letter. She is not pineconing (yet). Her poo (when she has any) varies, sometimes long and stringy and white, and sometimes just breaks up (normal?). I don't think she is eggbound because she is swollen on both sides, and this has been happening frequently and when she comes right it disappears.
The gel food is made with gelatine, but I have kept a food diary and she doesn't seem to have any correlation to food and her floating.
I have tried an Epsom salts bath (several times) as well as following some guidance on the net to put it into my tank - neither had any effect.
She has been dewormed twice, coz that was my first thought.
She is currently exhausted from fighting all day to stay upright and is now upside down.
They are my life and I don't want to lose her!


Francesvdm Francesvdm
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  • Posted on: 21/1/2010 20:26
Re: Antibiotics #25
Thanks for the concern, tonight I feel like an awful fishkeeper and ready to pack it in.
Jay, further to the previous thread, the following has happened:
She has now floated, and most the time upside down for two days. She rights herself and eats like normal. I have made Amoxicillin into a gel food and started her on it this morning (as per Andy Green's advice). However, she seems to be more floaty and I am seriously considering stopping it. This evening I even put some Epsom salts into her food to try to help her constipation. Her stomach is so fat she looks like she will burst (but no raised scales). I am at my wit's end, every time I get her right it lasts for a day and then she is the same again. I would appreciate any advice no matter how trivial anyone may think it is, because something may work somewhere.


Francesvdm Francesvdm
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  • Posted on: 21/1/2010 13:37
Re: Gill questions #26
I think what you are feeding her is already rich in vit B, which is why the other gill has come right. Liver is really high in Vit B and many feed it to their fish, but there are easier ways. Bloodworm is really good for it. I saw this problem, first, with my fries. Some of the babies that went to some people locally developed this after a few months, and they were only eating flake food. Once a started reading about it I found the cause to be vit B deficiency.
Maybe you should eat some liver (preferably raw) for your gills. :)


Francesvdm Francesvdm
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  • Posted on: 21/1/2010 9:56
Antibiotics #27
Hi Fishy Friends,
I decided to go with oral antibiotics for Ziggi because I was concerned about the stress of moving her into quarantine as she didn't take it well last time. After much stress I have got them and administered the first dose. My question is some places say three days, some 7 days and other places say 10 days, how long do you think I should continue this treatment?
PS, she is having a particularly difficult day today, so it hasn't come a moment too soon.
Oh, and I also salted the tank on guidance from a very knowledgeable fish dealer, to relieve osmotic pressure.
Thank you.


Francesvdm Francesvdm
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  • Posted on: 21/1/2010 8:16
Re: Gill questions #28
Hi Rachel,
It is caused by lack of Vitamin B6. This could have happened whilst she was a fry, which is why one gill plate has closed with good food. A good, varied diet may correct it with time.
This sometimes occurs due to parasites on the gills, where the gills actually swell making the gill plates curl, but you would have other symptoms.
I think this cover will correct itself as she grows eating a healthy diet.


Francesvdm Francesvdm
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  • Posted on: 19/1/2010 8:34
Re: MOOR FRY #29
Hi Moormum
Be careful how you take them out when you do your water change coz they will get crushed in a net. I used a tiny plastic container to scoop them out. I tried suctioning the water but they are so weak that many of them ended being suctioned up, so it was easier to have two containers and move them all into the clean water.


Francesvdm Francesvdm
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  • Posted on: 19/1/2010 8:25
Re: MOOR FRY #30
How are the babies today?



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