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Re: 40 ltr Tropical tank needs bottom feeders/plecos?????

Subject: Re: 40 ltr Tropical tank needs bottom feeders/plecos?????
by longhairedgit on 14/1/2009 10:07:02

I wouldnt follow lizzletons stocking example, its actually not a good way to stock a tank. There are some factors that could be adversely affecting the health of the fish in that setup. first there ph incompatability, mollies prefer harder whter than the rest of the stock in that tank.

While I personally agree that bettas can be kept in sedate communities without fin-nipping species, until you know your species behaviours better , its not a good idea to risk it, primarily because you have to roll with the odds, there are hundreds of species of tetra, and a good proportion of them can be nippy, and it varies not only from species to species, but also from individual to individual, and a bettas fins are a tempting target. It might be ok to suck it and see for a multiple aquarium owner, but not for anyone else, because a fishs journey to the home should ideally be a one-way one. Fish find moves stressful , and there are better ways to plan things.

I wouldnt recommend any shark species unless aquaria are large, they are fast, often territorial and increasingly so with age, and have a worldwide reputation for nipping in a good proportion of specimens, and also arent above bouts of night terrors, where they scare small diurnal fish who should be resting at night without harrassment. Cagemates for rainbows, silver, and RTBS, are ideally unrelated and comparable in size or larger.

Cories are also deeply social, a lone cory is never truly happy, so groups of 6 or more are always recommended. The life quality of a lone cory from a psychological standpoint, absolutely sucks butt. I agree with putting the tetchy fish like sharks and barbs together, but again species size should be catered for and this tank sounds a bit on the small side for that.

The angel too , could be a bit more population control than you reckoned for, an adult could be near enough ten inches tall and capable of swallowing the smaller tetra species, so again not a great example to follow in the long run, if further aquaria and larger aquaria are not an option in someones future. Angels are not long term tankmates for small species, they do eventually eat them as soon as they are large enough. The behaviour is individual to a degree, but its much better not to tempt fate, seeing as behind it all is a genuine predators instincts, that can reassert themselves even past conditioned feeding responses, at basically any time. The chances of conditioning a fish into denying a primeival urge to predate are to say the least, remote.

If economy is a concern for someone, then buying an angel, placing it with tetras might eventually necessitate a rehoming, which is an unfortunate situation, when fishkeeping starts getting into a "rent-a-fish" way of thinking, its pretty much bad fishkeeping. Beginners would do well to steer away from that kind of thinking or outcome.

Its one thing to have to rehome a fish from misguidance initially, thats dealing with an unfortunate situation responsibly, even though its a posiition of catchup, but I would expect more forethought and consideration when trying to help someone who has already had troubles from poor stocking advice, has beginner level knowledge, and a limited scope to expand in the hobby. Angels may be sold everywhere , but thety are without question, a willing predator of small fish once size permits.

Sorry to have to pick you up on one of your first posts lizzleton, but obviously , the OP doesnt need problems, and guidance given should be very accurate considering the situation.Unfortunately some of the misconceptions you appear to be labouring under are exactly the sort of culture the OP came into contact with at her LFS, thusly the current problems.

On the not cycling with fish, its a risk, its not clever, and you were fortunate not to lose some fish, the fish wouldnt thank you for having taken that risk with their lives, and we don't encourage that sort of advice here. it matters. Putting fish in uncycled aquaria costs millions of lives through nothing but impatience, foolhardiness and keeper arrogance every year, we are trying to put a stop to that, so that fishkeeping and fish trading becomes a less exploitative process more considerate of humane animal keeping.If you have not yet learned the seriousness of the cycling issue, and have not yet read the articles on how to avoid taking risks to fish health and causing them gill damage and respiritory issues I would suggest you take the opportunity to bone up a bit.

I appreciate your only trying to help, but it helps to keep it on the straight and narrow for beginners, with risks mentioned.